Puzzle - Beating Passage Through Mirkwood Round 1 1.0

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The no Éowyn thing includes both right? And no ALeP?

This should be obvious, sorry

Yes and yes. Although I have not found an easier way to win with Eowyn, I just excluded her because I thought that the idea of using her would really waste peoples time :).

Ok thanks. I'll try to figure this out...

I'm working on it too.

Any progress? Any more hints being needed? It is quite complicated after all ...

So the no cards left in the encounter deck or discard pile thing means we reveal no cards, right? The only encounter cards in the challenge are the road and the spider?

@GreenWizard Yes. The only two encounter cards in the deck are these two (that get revealed during setup). The rest of the staging area, as well as the encounter discard pile is empty.

Gotcha. Thanks. Nice puzzle! I like when they are challenging. It's easy to get to stage 3, but I can't get farther than that.

Still trying, though...

One possible way of doing stuff:

Cynaavat: Nggnpu Gubebatvy, Ryira Fcrne, Oynqr bs tbaqbyva 2k, Tbyqra Oryg & Yvtug bs Inyvabe gb Yrtbynf Cynl Cevapr Vzenuvy naq Tnyvba. Cynl Unaqf hcba gur obj naq chg 4 cebterff. Qvfpneq Aneiv'f oryg va gur cebprff Cynl Uryz bs Frperpl naq ercynpr Gnpgvpf Yrtbynf ol Fcvevg Yrtbynf. (Fb Gnpgvpf Yrtbynf orpbzrf Gubebatvy'q) Cynl Whfgvpr Funyy or Qbar Cynl Jvyy bs gur Jrfg

Dhrfg: Erfuhssyr gur rapbhagre qrpx, fvapr vg'f rzcgl (fb abj gur qrpx pbagnvaf bayl gur Fcvqre) Qvfpneq Tnynquevz Zvafgeryy sbe Ryira Fcrne Cynl Fgnaq naq Svtug naq ergevrir gur Tnynquevz Zvafgeryy. Gevttre gur zvafgeryy naq ergevrir Unaqf hcba gur obj. Pbzzvg Nyy gb gur dhrfg sbe 10 JC (Tvzyv 3, Zreel 2, Yrtbynf 1, Vzenuvy 2, Tnyvba 1, Zvafgeryy 1) naq ernql Tvzyv. Cynl Eniraf bs gur Zbhagnva sbe rkunhfgvat Tvzyv. Chg 2 cebterff ba gur Dhrfg. Erirny gur Fcvqre. Cynl Unaqf hcba gur obj naq chg 2 cebterff ba 1O naq 2 cebterff ba 2O. (nqinapvat gb fgntr 3O) Erfuhssyr gur rapbhagre qrpx, fvapr vg'f rzcgl (fb abj gur qrpx pbagnvaf bayl gur Fcvqre) Jva gur dhrfg ol 9.

Erserfu: Gevttre Aneiv'f Oryg sbe Yber. Cynl nabgure pbcl sbe Eniraf bs gur zbhagnvaf sbe 2 zber cebterff. Jva gur gur dhrfg jvgu 11

Well done, that is one way of doing it given however ... tvira gur jnl lbh hfr Uryz bs Frperpl (juvpu vf n ehyrf-zrff) qbrf abg oernx nal ehyrf. Nf bs abj, V unir abg frra na vaqvpngvba gung vg qbrf fb snve tnzr.

There is also definitely another solution so if anyone wants to keep riddling for an additional challenge: svavfu gur dhrfg va gur dhrfg cunfr bs gur svefg ebhaq.

Hi @The Mormegil

Pna jr nffhzr gb unir pbzcyrgr pbageby bire gur beqre bs gur pneqf va cynl (yrg'f fnl pneqf V unir qvfpneqrq naq gura fuhssyrq onpx va gur qrpx jvgu Jvyy bs gur Jrfg)?

@Alonewolf87 No, Will of the West should be treated like normal (=> no control). The same goes for the encounter deck, the only exceptions to rules needed (as far as I am aware of) are specified in the deck description (e.g. Helm of Secrecy). There is a solution that works without having to rely on randomness. Good luck to you ;)

Back to the drawing board then, too bad I had gone quite far with that one.

@The Mormegil Qbrf gur fbyhgvba cerfhzrf gung vs V cynl Uryz bs Frperpl ba na rkunhfgrq ureb gur fjvgpurq-va ureb jvyy or ernql? Jnf gurer n ehyvat va gung frafr?

@Alonewolf87 The ruling (per mail by Caleb) is that the incoming hero has the same state as the previous one. I was unaware of the mail and assumed the incoming hero would be ready (since I thought any card enters play ready unless otherwise specified, that does not seem to be the case for the terminology swapped however).

Because my solution uses Helm of Secrecy "The wrong way", you are also allowed to ready the swapped hero after it enters play with Helm of Secrecy.

That is why I singled out the card in my deck description :)

Also why do you make reference to Late Adventurer when that card is not in the deck?Is it a "if you only miss this card consider it to be part of your deck for your solution"?

Another quite specific ruling that defines the "current quest" as the current quest stage for player card purposes. So if you advance to another quest stage, a lasting effect targeting the current quest will no apply anymore even if you still have a current quest (that ruling is in normal cases mostly irrelevant, so I misremembered it).

Late Adventurer is then needed for a very small interaction at the end of my way to victory, Apologies for these two mistakes on my part and the potential confusion they create! Also good luck with your riddling!

I think I may have found the Late Adventurer solution

Cynaavat Cunfr: cynl obgu Oynqrf bs Tbaqbyva, Tbyqra Oryg naq Gveryrff Gubebhtuoerq ba Tvzyv, cynl Gubebatvy naq Ryira Fcrne ba Yrtbynf, cynl Cevapr Vzenuvy, cynl Unaqf hcba gur Obj naq Xunmnq-Xunmnq gb xvyy Sberfg Fcvqre jvgu Tvzyv (2 cebterff ba Fgntr 1O), cynl Uryz bs Frperpl gb fjvgpu Tvzyv jvgu YbSnenzve (qvfpneq Gveryrff Gubebhtuoerq), cynl Gur Raq Pbzrf (gur bayl pneq va gur rapbhagrer qrpx vf abj Sberfg Fcvqre), cynl Jvyy bs gur Jrfg (5 pneqf va zl qrpx abj), qvfpneq Zvafgery gb Ryira Fcrne, cynl Fgnaq naq Svtug gb chg Zvafgery va cynl (nqq Unaqf hcba gur Obj gb zl unaq), cynl Whfgvpr Funyy or Qbar (qenj nal bs gur 4 pneqf erznvavat, yrg'f fnl Uryz bs Frperpl vf yrsg nf ynfg bar, nqq 3 erfbheprf gb Snenzve'f cbby), cynl 2 pbcvrf bs Enira bs gur Zbhagnvaf rkunhfgvat Snenzve naq Zreel (6 cebterff gbgny ba Fgntr 2O)

Dhrfg Cunfr: fraq Yrtbynf naq Vzenuvy gb gur dhrfg (qvfpneq nal pneq gb ernql Snenzve), cynl 3eq pbcl bs Eniraf bs gur Zbhagnvaf rkunhfgvat Snenzve (8 cebterff ba Fgntr 1O, nqinapr gb Fgntr 2O), fgntvat fgrc erirny Byq Sberfg Fcvqre, qvfpneq nal 3 pneqf gb Ryira Fcrne naq cynl Unaqf Hcba gur Obj ntnva jvgu Yrtbynf (2 cebterff ba Fgntr 2O nqinapr gb Fgntr 3O) cynl Sbr-Unzzre qenjvat gur ynfg pneq va zl qrpx, yrg'f fnl vg jnf Uryz bs Frperpl), cynl Uryz bs Frperpl ntnva fjvgpuvat YbSnenzve sbe GnTvzyv, cynl Genvarq sbe Jne, cynl Yngr Nqiraghere pbzzvggvat GnTvzyv gb gur dhrfg, cynl Xunmnq-Xunmnq ntnva dhrfgvat sbe 13 (3+3 Yrtbynf + 2+3 Tvzyv + 2 Vzenuvy) ntnvafg 1 (12 cebterff ba Fgntr 3O jvaavat gur tnzr)

In case it's relevant I have not used any of your hints

@Alonewolf87 Well done! A very impressive and well-thought solution, it even uses a couple of interactions I did not use for mine! I don't know if you are interested in further puzzling so if you are, there is another solution that

hfrf uryz bs frperpl bayl bapr naq fgvyy svavfurq jvguva gur dhrfgvat cunfr.

Can you find it? Good luck, you can consider the puzzle beat either way of course :).

Another attempt in which I use Helm of Secrecy by the rules. So Exhausted remains exhausted. One Ruling doubt, but outside of that it seems solid.

Cynaavat: Tvzyv: Nggnpu Gubebatvy, Aneiv'f oryg Yrtbynf: Nggnpu Oynqr bs Tbaqbyva (2k), Ryira Fcrne, Oynqr bs Tbaqbyva Gevttre Aneiv'f oryg sbe Fcvevg Cynl Tnyvba, naq Cevapr Vzenuvy Cynl Reenaq Evqre naq nggnpu Naprfgeny Nezbhe. Cynl Unaqf hcba gur Obj naq cynpr 4 cebterff. (Qvfpneq Jryy Rdhvccrq) Cynl Uryz bs Frperpl (ercynpr Tvzyv ol Ovshe) Cynl Gur Raq Pbzrf Gevttre Aneiv'f oryg Sbe Fcvevg Hfr Reenaq Evqre naq Ovshe'f novyvgl Cynl Eniraf bs bs gur Zbhagnva sbe Zreel (cynpr 2 cebterff) Cynl Jvyy bs gur Jrfg Cynl Whfgvpr funyy or qbar (qenj 3 pneqf bhg bs lbhe 5 pneq qrpx naq nqq 3 erfbheprf gb Ovshe) Cynl Eniraf bs gur Zbhagnva sbe Ovshe (cynpr 2 cebterff) Nqinapr gb fgntr 2O

Dhrfg: Cynl Jnvg Ab Ybatre Pbzzvg Cevapr Vzenuvy naq Tnyvba gb gur dhrfg (jva gur dhrfg ol 2, nqinapr gb fgntr 3O)

Pbzong: Gnxr gur nggnpx haqrsraqrq, cynpr 3 qnzntr ba Yrtbynf

Erserfu: Hfr Reenaq Evqre naq tvir Ovshe uvf 3gu erfbhepr Hfr Dhvpx Fgevxr gb xvyy gur fcvqre (qvfpneq nal 2 naq nqq 4 cebterff ol Yrtbynf) naq qenj lbhe erznvavat qrpx jvgu Sbr-Unzzre. Cynl Uryz bs Frperpl gb Ercynpr Yrtbynf Ol Bev Bev qvrf. Cynl Gur Raq Pbzrf. Cynl Eniraf bs gur Zbhagnva sbe Zreel (cynpr 2 cebterff) Cynl Eniraf bs gur Zbhagnva sbe Ovshe (cynpr 2 cebterff) Cynl Eniraf bs gur Zbhagnva sbe Cevapr vzenuvy(cynpr 2 cebterff)

Very well done! Congratulations!

This one finishes in the quest phase

Cynaavat: Yrtbynf: Nggnpu Oynqr bs Tbaqbyva (2k), Ryira Fcrne, Oynqr bs Tbaqbyva, Rys-Sevraq, Gubebatvy, Yvtug bs Inyvabe, Tbyqra Oryg Cynl Unaqf hcba gur Obj naq cynpr 4 cebterff. (Qvfpneq Aneiv'f Oryg) Cynl Tnyvba, naq Cevapr Vzenuvy Cynl Uryz bs Frperpl (ercynpr Yrtbynf ol Ynajla) Cynl Whfgvpr funyy or qbar Cynl Jvyy bs gur Jrfg Qvfpneq Tnynquevz Zvafgryy sbe Ryira Fcrne Cynl Fgnaq naq Svtug naq Ergevrir gur Zvafgeryy Frnepu lbhe qrpx naq pbyyrpg Uryz bs Frperpl Cynl Jryy-Rdhvccrq, nggnpu Aneiv'f Oryg gb Tvzyv.

Dhrfg: Cynl Jnvg Ab Ybatre Cynl Dhvpxfgevxr naq qvfpneq 2. (cynpr 2 be 4 cebterff qrcraqvat ba jura lbh fjvgpu) Cynl Uryz bs Frperpl (ercynpr Ynajla ol Yrtbynf) Pbzzvg Yrtbynf, Tvzyv naq Vzenuvy (jvgu 9 nggnpx inyhr), Ernql Tvzyv Gevttre Eniraf bs gur zbhagnvaf sbe rnpu bs lbhe urebrf. (Cynpr 6 cebterff) Lbh ner ng fgntr 3O abj jvgu 2 (be 4 cebterff) ba 3O. Cynl Xunmâq! Xunmâq! naq qvfpneq n pneq sbe gur Fcrne (gbgny nggnpx inyhr: 13) Cynl Genvarq sbe Jne. Cynpr 12 cebterff nsgre dhrfgvat fhpprfshyyl.

Pbatenghyngvbaf lbh jba gur dhrfg jvgu 16 cebterff ba gur svany fgntr.

@The MormegilI have a sneaking suspicion no one has found "your" solution still, am I right?

@Alonewolf87 That is correct, although every other solution presented to me was really interesting, both you and @jban have comfortably beaten the puzzle at this point!

My solution (for anyone that wants to keep on guessing) uses Helm once and finishes in the quest phase. I will post it once people have either guessed it or have given up on it, however I know for a fact that jban is still puzzling away so I will hold off from posting it right know.

If you are interested in hearing it than just tell me over ringsdb or discord and I will send it to you privately :).

My final solution: One that uses readying of HoS, finishes in the Quest phase and only uses HoS once

Cynaavat: Tvzyv: Nggnpu Oynqr bs Tbaqbyva, Oynqr bs Tbaqbyva Yrtbynf: Nggnpu Gubebatvy, Ryira Fcrne, Yvtug bs Inyvabe Qvfpneq Aneiv'f Oryg sbe gur Fcrne naq cynl Xunmnq! Xunmnq! Cynl Jvyy bs gur jrfg. Cynl Jryy rdhvccrq. Hfr Aneiv'f oryg sbe Yrnqrefuvc. Cynl Reenaq Evqre & Nggnpu Naprfgeny nezbhe. Cynl Fba bs Neabe naq hfr gur novyvgl. Cynl Uvguynva, Tnyvba naq cynpr gur cebterff. Cynl Vfynaq Nzvq Crevyf naq ercynl Tnyvba sbe 1 cebterff. Cynl Dhvpx Fgevxr gb xvyy gur fcvqre. (Cynpr 2 cebterff ba 1O) Cynl Uryz bs Frperpl (Ercynpr Tvzyv ol Sbypb) Cynl Whfgvpr funyy or qbar, hfr reenaq evqre sbe 1 rkgen erfbhepr ba Sbypb. Cynl Gb Nezf! gb ernql gur Reenaq evqre naq hfr reenaq evqre ntnva sbe n gbgny bs 5 erfbheprf ba Sbypb. CYnl Nfsnybgu ba Yrtbynf.

Dhrfg: CYnl Eniraf bs gur zbhagnva sbe Sbypb naq Zreel (CYnpr 4 rkgen cebterff ba 1o, 6 gbgny). Qvfpneq 3 pneqf sbe Ryira Fcrne. Pbzzvg Yrtbynf naq Fba bs Neabe gb gur dhrfg sbe 8 (Onggyr jvy or nqqrq yngre ba). Ernql Sbypb ol Fcvevg Yrtbynf'f novyvgl. Hfr Eniraf bs gur zbhagnva sbe Sbypb. CYnpr 2 rkgen cebterff ba 1o naq nqinapr gb fgntr 2O. Qvfpneq Sbypb. Erirny gur fcvqre, cynl unaqf hcba gur obj gb xvyy gur fcvqre. Cynpr 2 Cebterff ba 2O naq nqinapr gb fgntr 3o. Cynl Genvarq sbe Jne. Erghea Sbypb ol Sbeghar be Sngr naq hfr Yngr nqiraghere gb pbzzvg uvz gb gur dhrfg (gb nqq gb n gbgny bs 10) [Nyg: Trg Vzenuvy] Hfr Nfsnybgu gb Pyrne gur ybpngvba. Jva gur dhrfg ol 10

Perfect! That is basically the solution I had in mind :)