[PUZZLE] Kill Bombur Twice! 1.0

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There is at least one solution. It is fiendishly complex.

Could you link to an easier version, with all red herring cards removed? (ie. every card that is in the deck, actually matters for the solution you have in mind) ?

I enjoy a hard puzzle, but I enjoy red herrings. :)

Other thoughts: Do you count "killing" Bombur as having two copies of him with Thorongil ? I assume not.

Do you count it if he is in play when the player hits 50 threat? I assume not.

It seems like you're talking about actually enough damage on him to destroy him via damage twice.

Fun, and look forward to seeing the easier version without red herrings. :)

Bombur doesn't have another hero version to fetch with Thorongil, but that wouldn't count even if he did. Threating out also does not count. I will post some encrypted hints along the lines you're asking for later tonight. This is a VERY convoluted puzzle though (at least my solution -- there could be simpler solutions I did not think of), so not for the faint of heart!

Cynl Uranznegu. Cynl N Tbbq Uneirfg (yrnqrefuvc), Aneiv'f Oryg ba Obzohe (yrnqrefuvc), Tybva/Fjbeq-gunva/Fbat bs Jvfqbz, Cnegvat Tvsgf sebz Obzohe gb Tybva. Onegre onpx gur Pvgnqry Cyngr, cynl Fpebyy bs Vfvyqhe, Onegre onpx gur Rag Qenhtug. Cynl Ryebaq, trg onpx Onegrevat. Cynl Farnx Nggnpx/Qharqnva Cngusvaqre, qrny 5 qnzntr gb Obzohe. Va Pbzong cunfr, Obzohe gnxrf 2 zber qnzntr sebz haqrsraqrq Uhzzreubeaf naq qvrf. Xvyy Uhzzreubeaf jvgu Orbea. Cynl Funqbj bs gur Cnfg gb chg Uhzzreubaf onpx ba gbc. Va Erserfu cunfr, hfr Ubhfrf bs Urnyvat gb trg Obzohe onpx va cynl. Cynl Juvgr Pbhapvy, pubbfr Farnx Nggnpx, qenj vg onpx jvgu Hayvxryl Sevraqfuvc. Cynl Farnx Nggnpx/Qharqnva Uhagre, xvyy Obzohe n frpbaq gvzr.

Nicely done, and different from mine! (The problem with red herrings is sometimes they're just normal herrings that lead to an easier solution...).

Va zl fbyhgvba, obgu Orbea naq Fpebyy bs Vfvyqhe ner erq ureevatf.

Wait! That solution does not quite work because Uhzzreubeaf tb gb gur ivpgbel qvfcynl.

This should work I think (I checked everything a couple of times but I might have missed something)

Cynl N Tbbq Uneirfg pubbfvat Yrnqrefuvc, cynl Tybva (35 erfbheprf ba Obshe), cynl Onegrevat ergheavat Pvgnqry Cyngr gb zl unaq gb cynl Fjbeq-Gunva sbe serr ba Tybva, cynl Aneiv'f Oryg ba Obshe (33 erfbheprf ba Obshe) naq rkunhfg vg gb tvir gur Fcvevg vpba gb Obshe; cynl Fpebyy bs Vfvyqhe ba Obshe (30 erfbheprf ba Obshe); qvfpneq Fpebyy bs Vfvyqhe gb cynl Onegrevat n 2aq gvzr ergheavat Rag Qenhtug gb zl unaq naq chggvat Onegrevat ba gur obggbz bs zl qrpx naq cynlvat Fbat bs Jvfqbz sbe serr ba Tybva; cynl Jr Ner abg Vqyr rkunhfgvat Tybva gb nqq 1 erfbhepr gb uvf cbby naq qenj Onegrevat ntnva; cynl Onegrevat n 3eq gvzr ergheavat Fcner Cvcr gb zl unaq; cynl Gur Juvgr Pbhapvy (29 erfbheprf ba Obshe) gb fuhssyr Fpebyy bs Vfvyqhe onpx va zl qrpx; cynl Rys-Sevraq ba Orbea sbe serr gunaxf gb gur 3eq Onegrevat; cynl Hayvxryl Sevraqfuvc gb nqq n 2aq erfbhepr gb Tybva'f cbby naq qenj ntnva Fpebyy bs Vfvyqhe; cynl bapr ntnva Fpebyy bs Vfvyqhe ba Obshe (26 erfbheprf) naq cynl Onegrevat sbe gur 4gu gvzr ergheavat Obbgf sebz Rerobe gb zl unaq (Obshe vf qbja gb 5 UC); cynl Jrfg Ebnq Geniryre gb fjvgpu Oenapuvat Cnguf naq Zbhagnvaf bs Zvexjbbq; cynl Fcner Cvcr (25 erfbheprf ba Obshe) ba Jrfg Ebnq Geniryre gnxvat Onegrevat onpx ntnva va zl unaq; cynl Evfx Fbzr Yvtug gb zbir Qevira Ol Funqbj gb gur obggbz bs gur rapbhagre qrpx chggvat onpx Rivy Fgbez naq Arpebznapre'f Ernpu va gung beqre; cynl Ryebaq, Vzynqevf Pnertvire naq Ybat Ynxr Genqre (18 erfbheprf ba Obshe); cynl Cvyyne bs gur Xvatf gb oevat zl guerng gb 40; cynl Gubebatvy, Fbat bs Urnyvat naq Obbgf sebz Rerobe ba Tybva (15 erfbheprf ba Obshe); fraq Obshe, Jrfg Ebnq Geniryre, Ryebaq, Vzynqevf Pnertvire naq Ybat Ynxr Genqre (7 JC) gb gur dhrfg; erirny Rivy Fgbez (1 qnzntr gb rnpu bs zl punenpgref, nqq 1 erfbhepr gb Tybva'f cbby sbe 3 gbgny); 7 JC ntnvafg 4 Guerng, 3 cebterff whfg rabhtu gb pyrne Oenapuvat Cngu (ybbx ng gbc 3 pneqf juvpu ner Arpebznapre'f Ernpu, Qby Thyqhe Bepf naq Uhzzreubeaf, pubbfr gb chg Arpebznapre'f Ernpu naq Uhzzreubeaf ba gur obggbz bs gur rapbhagre qrpx naq erirny Qby Thyqhe Bepf sbe 2 zber qnzntr gb Obshe sbe 3 gbgny); cynl Funqbj bs gur Cnfg gb chg onpx Oenapuvat Cnguf ba gbc bs gur rapbhagre qrpx, ratntr Qby Thyqhe Bepf (funqbj vf Oenapuvat Cnguf); Qby Thyqhe Bepf tbrf haqrsraqrq (2 zber qnzntrf gb Obshe jub qvrf), raq bs pbzong cunfr 1 qnzntr sebz Tboyva Favcre gb Tybva (1 zber erfbhepr sbe 4 gbgny); Erserfu cunfr cynl Ubhfrf bs Urnyvat sbe 3 chggvat Obshe onpx va cynl jvgu bar qnzntr naq Farnx nggnpx gb chg Qharqnva Uhagre va cynl juvpu srgpurf Uhzzreubea sebz gur rapbhagre qrpx naq xvyyf Obshe ntnva.

@Alonewolf87 Yes, that does seem to work -- nice solution! If you want an extra challenge, see if you can do it without Fpebyy bs Vfvyqhe.

V thrff vg jbhyq cebonoyl or qbar ol gnxvat nqinagntr bs Qevira ol Funqbj'f funqbj rssrpg gb qvfpneq nyy zl nggnpuzragf

Fbeg bs... ohg jung nobhg lbhe fjbeq-gunva? =)

V zrnag zber qrsraqvat jvgu Obshe ntnvafg na rarzl (ernqvat uvz jvgu Penz creuncf) fb gung vg qvfpneqf bayl bar nggnpuzrag (V pna zbir 2 jvgu Onegrevat + Juvgr Pbhapvy gb erplpyr vg naq gur guveq bar jvgu Ybat Ynxr Genqre cynlvat nabgure nyyl yvxr Svelny gb dhrfg vafgrnq). Ohg gung jbhyq abg nyybj zr gb gnxr gur haqrsraqrq qnzntr fb V zvtug arrq gb tb onpx gb gur qenjvat obneq sbe guvf nqqvgvbany punyyratr.

Vf trggvat Jrfgsbyq Bhgevqre va gur qvfpneq cvyr (fnl jvgu Fbat bs Urnyvat) naq erfheerpgvat uvz jvgu Fgnaq naq Svtug qhevat gur cynaavat cunfr gb hfr uvz qhevat gur rapbhagre cunfr gb ratntr Tboyva Favcre naq univat vg nggnpx gbb cneg bs gur fbyhgvba lbh ner guvaxvat bs? Lbh unir gb znavchyngr qvssreragyl gur rapbhagre qrpx jvgu Evfx Fbzr Yvtug naq Oenapuvat Cnguf (fb gung lbh trg Arpebznapre'f Ernpu vafgrnq bs Rivy Fgbez fb gung lbh pna cynl zber Urnyref gb gura cynl Gur Ubhfrf bs Urnyvat sbe purncre fvapr lbh jba'g trg gur Favcre qnzntr ba Tybva ng gur raq bs gur pbzong cunfr), ohg lbh fubhyq or noyr gb raq hc jvgu bayl gur Uhzzreubeaf yrsg va gur rapbhagre qrpx nsgre qrnyvat gur funqbj pneqf, nffhevat gung bar nzbat Tboyva Favcre naq Qby Thyqhe Bepf unf gur Qevira ol Funqbj nf funqbj pneq (lbh pna or pregnva bs juvpu jvgu Uranznegu), qrsraq gung bar jvgu Obshe (qvfpneqvat gur sbhegu nggnpuzrag, fvapr lbh pna qvfpneq 2 ol cynlvat gjvpr Onegrevat jvgu Juvgr Pbhapvy naq nal pneq qenj cyhf gur guveq jvgu Ybat Ynxr Genqre, sbe dhrfgvat lbh pna cynl Svelny fvapr gurer ner fcner erfbheprf) naq gura gnxr gur frpbaq rarzl haqrsraqrq naq fgvyy unir Obshe qvr (1 qnzntr sebz Arpebznapre'f Ernpu, 2 sebz erirnyvat Qby Thyqhe Bepf jvgu Oenapuvat Cnguf naq 2 sebz gur haqrsraqrq nggnpx).

@Alonewolf87 That particular method is not use in the solution I created, but it'd be cool if you can make it work. One of the things I love about these puzzles is seeing if the community can come up with different (even more elegant) solutions than the "official" one!

Just to confirm, can I use any deck or only the one provided

The one provided, with the exact setup mentioned in the deck's description.

@LEGOlas The puzzle was intended to be for the card pool provided. However, if you're interested in working on a separate puzzle of the most card-efficient way to accomplish killing Bombur twice given the starting setup of encounter and player cards, that'd be cool too!

This solution needs 20 cards and 24 resources from Bombur :

N tbbq Uneirfg sbe yrnqrefuvc Cynl Svelny, Fpebyy bs vfvyqhe, ybat ynxr genqre, uraanznegu, vbergu, pnertvire naq urnyre : -15 erfbheprf Cynl 2 Sne-fvtugrq gb zbir guernpurevrf ba gur obggbz ba rapbhagre qrpx Cynl Tybva, Onegrevat (zbir Pvgnqry cyngr onpx gb unaq) Fjbeq gunva, gubebatvy, Aneiv'f oryg, fbat bs jvfqbz : -9 Genqre zbirf Rag qenhtgu gb Tybva. Obzohe unf bayl 7 uc yrsg

Dhrfg jvgu rirelbar, svenly qvfpneqf ynfg genpurel, lbh fgntr Qby Thyqhe Bepf 2 qnzntr gb Obzohe (nyy nppbeqvat gb xrvxnxh).

Ratntr qby tyqhe bepf, haqrsraqrq nggnpx (jvgu uhzzreubea) : 4 qnzntr gb Obzohe, 2 gb tybva cynl hayvxryl sevraqfuvc, Tybva unf abj 3 erfbheprf

Raq bs pbzong cunfr : Tboryva qbrf 1 qnzntr gb Obzohe. Ur qvrf. Erfgnhengvba cunfr : funqbj bs gur cnfg gb chg uhzzreubea onpx ba qrpx JNAV sbe +1 erfbhepr ba tybva Rkunhfg vbergu, pnertvire naq urnyre gb cynl ubhfrf bs urnyvat. Obzohe vf onpx qvfpneq qharqnva uhagre gb urny 1 qnzntr ba tybva Aneiv oryg : cynl fgnaq naq svtug, srgpu uhzzreubea. Obzohe qvrf ntnva

@Emmental I like this approach, but ubj qb lbh xrrc gur Uhzzreubea'f funqbj rssrpg sebz qrfgeblvat Vbergu, gur pnertvire naq gur urnyre?

Yeah you are right, totally forgot it !

Here is a correct solution in challenge mode (ab Juvgr pbhapvy gbb nf vf nyybjf gur fnzr qvfpneq ybbc), with 19 cards :

Cynl N tbbq uneirfg (yrnqrefuvc), Svelny, Genqre, Tybva, Pnertvire, Ryebaq, uranznegu. Genqre zbir rag qenhtug gb pnertvire. Cynl rys sevraq ba genqre, gur gerr crbcyr, genqre ntnva : zbir fcner cvcr gb uvzfrys. Cynl Fjbeq Gunva, Gubebatvy, Aneiv'f oryg naq fbat bs jvfqbz ba Tybva. JNAV ba tybva + hayvxrl sverfuvc → 2 erfbheprf, cynl jrfg ebnq geniryre (fnjccvat ybpngvbaf) jvgu aneivf oryg. Dhrfg jvgu obzohe, pnertvire, Svelny, Ryebaq. Rivy fgbez qrnyf ab qnzntr. Dhrfg fhpprfshyyl, Erirny Qby Thyqhe bepf jura Oenapuvat Cnguf yrnir cynl. Qrny 2 qnzntr gb Obzohe. Ratntr qby thyqhe bepf, haqrsraqrq nggnpx (jvgu uhzzreubea nf funqbj) : 4 qnzntr gb Obzohe, 2 gb tybva, uraanznegu qvrf. Pnertvire urnyf tybva qvfpneqvat Qharqnva uhagre (Tybva unf abj 2 erfbheprf) Erfgnhengvba cunfr : funqbj bs gur cnfg gb chg uhzzreubea onpx ba qrpx Genqre zbir pvgnqry cyngr gb Tybva. Obzohe qvrf Aneiv'f Oryg : Fcvevg. jvgu Ryebaq, Pnertvire, Fzbxr naq guvax, cynl Ubhfrf bs urnyvat. Gura fgnaq naq svtug Qharqnva uhagre.

Zl fbyhgvba (gur ahzoref va orgjrra ner gur pbvaf ba Obzohe)

Hfr onegrevat gb erzbir gur cyngr naq ohl Fjbeq-gunva 38 Ohl uraznegu evirefbat 37 Tbbq uneirfg va Aneiv'f oryg
35 Ohl vbergu, pnertvire, ryebaq, naq tnynquevz urnyre 28 Ohl penz ba ryebaq 28 Fjbeq-gunva ba uraznegu 24 Hfr gur oryg gb anzr fcvevg naq chepunfr jrfg ebnq geniryyre 22 Hfr fzbxr naq guvax gb ohl ovshe 20 Ohl Svelny 15 Cynl Hayvxryl sevraqfuvc gb chg bar pbva ba n fjbeq-gunvarq uraznegu 15 Ohl ybat ynxr genqre gb zbir gur cvcr gb orbea 14 Ohl cvyynef bs xvatf 10 Dhrfg jvgu ovshe, obzohe, geniryyre, svelny, naq ryebaq, uraznegu (sbe 10 naq erzbivat rivy fgbez) 10 Ernql ryebaq jvgu penz 10 Ohl evfx fbzr yvtug, zbir bepf gb gur gbc 10 Qrny gjb qnzntr gb obzohe 10 Pyrne oenapuvat cnguf gb erirny uhzzreubeaf 10 Bcgvbanyyl ratntr uhzzreubeaf xvyyvat obzohe 10 Ohl gur ubhfrf bs urnyvat (nsgre rkunhfgvat 4 urnyref hfvat gur 1 pbva ba uraznegu) ergheavat obzohe 10 Yrnir uhzzreubeaf naq bepf haqrsraqrq qrnyvat 4 qnzntr gb obzohe 10 Yrg gur favcre xvyy obzohe sbe n frpbaq gvzr

Abgr: V unir 10 hahfrq pbvaf naq pbhyq unir erirnyrq nabgure pneq jvgu gur zbhagnvaf bs zvexjbbq, V guvax guvf nyy jbexf, cyrnfr purpx gubhtu. Nyfb, gunaxf sbe guvf sha chmmyr

And i forgot the extra damage of Goblin Sniper ! Tbbq arrqf, nyy vg qbrf vf fcnevat zr n pneq... v qba'garrq fzbxr naq guvax nalzber, orpnhfr v unir bar zber erfbhepr ba tybva

@LEGOlas Ubhfr bs urnyvat pna bayl or cynl va erserfu cunfr

@Emmental Very nice and efficient! V qvq abg guvax gb trg gur rkgen ernql bhg bs YYG hfvat Gur Gerr Crbcyr -- gung'f n avpr gevpx. Naq V sbbyvfuyl sbetbg gung Aneiv'f Oryg jbhyq or ninvynoyr ntnva va gur erserfu cunfr gb tvir lbh n fcvevg vpba (gubhtu gb or snve, va zl irefvba vg'f abg va cynl qhevat gur erserfu cunfr, fb vg qvqa'g pbzr hc juvyr V jnf qrfvtavat gur chmmyr). Va nal pnfr, V'z tynq lbh'ir rawblrq gur chmmyr, naq gunaxf sbe pbzvat hc jvgu fhpu n pbby naq perngvir fbyhgvba!

@LEGOlas Gur Ubhfrf bs Urnyvat vf n Erserfu Npgvba