Song of Glóin: 60 Token Solo Black Gate, No Unlimited Combo

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TL; DR: Once Glóin gets Song of Travel, Song of Healing, and a Citadel Plate, he can take every attack undefended. This is because every time he takes damage from an undefended attack, you can use some of the resources he gained to immediately cycle Elven-light with Song of Healing until he is back at full health. Thanks to Elrond, every cycling of Elven-light heals 2 damage off of Gloin, so every 2 damage results in 1 net resource and 1 card draw. By engaging everything that comes out of the deck, you can use all that damage to quickly draw your whole deck and gain a large amount of resources. Not an unlimited amount though – you are still dependent upon damage from the encounter cards to build your board state – but luckily The Black Gate provides a lot of that.

After you've drawn your deck, you can then use Helm of Secrecy to swap Eowyn (who was helping you avoid threat raise from failed quests in early game) for Galadriel to keep your threat raise at 1 per round. Also set up Nori with Sword-thain, Steward of Gondor, and Gondorian Fire so that he can use Hour of Wrath to wipe the board of enemies each round and recycle Ever Onward, Hour of Wrath, and your treachery cancellation cards.

Ever Onward prevents you from raising your threat from failed quest phases (credit goes to Glamcrist/GreenWizard for this Black Gate tech). Gloin takes all the attacks, and Nori kills most of the enemies (credit goes to Glamcrist for the Nori/Hour of Wrath combination). Four of the worst treacheries have been removed from the deck thanks to Out of the Wild and Scout Ahead. Only 1 problematic treachery remains, and though you will be seeing it many times thanks to the cycling of the encounter deck, you can use The Door is Closed! to cancel its first 3 appearances, and in actions windows provided by attacks from the Mouth of Sauron, you can cycle them back to your hand with The White Council and Elven-light and cancel the next 3 appearances. You can even play Stand and Fight with Galadhrim Weaver to recycle one more The Door is Closed! for the rare 7th appearance.

Using this strategy I was able to get 60 tokens on The Black Gate in true solo. I was fully set up around round 8, and after that there was nothing the encounter deck could do.

Introduction

Breaking the 60-token barrier in The Black Gate Opens presents a unique challenge. Even if you can somehow clear the board every turn, 60 card reveals means you start cycling through the encounter deck many times in one turn. And since the only cards in the discard will be the treacheries that you just revealed, it means revealing all the treacheries back-to-back multiple times in the same quest phase.

In my old fellowship that achieved over 90 tokens, I used a combo to get unlimited resources, then used those resources to recur Out of the Wild a bunch of times to remove all the cards from the encounter deck.

However, Out of the Wild has since received an errata, making that strategy impossible. Unlimited combos still exist though, and can be used to good effect against this quest, as seen in my previous deck here which can regularly get 40+ tokens.

But I have thought a lot more about the quest since then, thanks to a bit of rivalry from Glamcrist, where he has shown a deck capable of 25 tokens that does not rely on unlimited combos. (I keep saying "unlimited" rather than "infinite" because you don't ever actually generate infinite resources with these decks. You just have the capability to increase your resources without limit.)

In an attempt to break the no-unlimited-allowed record, I have in fact broken my own unlimited-allowed record as well. As far as I know, this is the largest number of tokens that has been generated in this quest in any format, in any player count, since the Out of the Wild errata killed my fellowship.

The Treacheries

The key all comes back to the treacheries. The biggest two elephants in the room are The Hour of Doom (3x) and Jaws of Steel (2x).

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The problem with The Hour of Doom is that every time it comes up, the doomed 1 shortens your game by 1 round, meaning 1 less token. And when your token count is in the 30s and 40s, they come up a lot and end your game quickly before you can get to the 50s or 60s.

The problem with Jaws of Steel is surviving it when you need to be dealing out 60+ direct damage multiple times per quest phase.

Only 4 of these 5 cards can be removed from the deck using 3x Out of the Wild and 1x Scout Ahead (using Lay of Nimrodel to complete it), so there is still one problematic treachery that must be dealt with.

Once we pass 50 tokens, we be cycling through the encounter deck 6 or 7 times, every round. How can we keep up with that many must-cancel treacheries?

The key piece of tech here is not a player card, but in fact another encounter card: Rage Filled Him.

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There are 3 of these in the encounter deck. They present no danger to Gloin, who takes the attack undefended and heals it right off. But they provide something critical: action windows during the staging step.

Every time we cycle through the encounter deck, we will be seeing roughly 3 of these attacks for every 1 time seeing the problematic treachery. In these action windows, we could use a card like The White Council to shuffle a cancellation card like A Test of Will or The Door is Closed! back into our deck, and Elven-light to draw it up.

With this in mind, there are a couple different ways we could handle the problematic treachery:

  1. If we leave 1 copy of Jaws of Steel in the deck, then we can cancel it 6 times pretty easily (3x A Test of Will and 3x Halfling Bounder). But a 7th appearance would be devastating, so we would also need The White Council to get the A Test of Will back during a Mouth attack. However, the shadow effect on Jaws of Steel also needs cancelling if we are taking them undefended on Gloin. With 3x Hasty Strokes and the White Councils as backup, we should be safe. This is a 12 card package.

  2. If we leave 1 copy of Hour of Doom in the deck, then we can cancel it 6 times pretty easily with (3x The Door is Closed!), and pulling them back with 3x The White Council during a Mouth attack). The shadow effect is harmless, as Nori can get our attachments back for us. The likelihood of it revealing a 7th time is very slim, as we essentially need to be at 50+ tokens, it needs to be one of the few remaining cards in the deck at the start of the quest phase, and it needs to avoid being dealt as a shadow effect in any of the ~20 attacks the Mouth is going to make. But we can throw in a Galadhrim Weaver and Stand and Fight for that unlikely stroke of bad luck. Even if one does slip through, it's not a game-ender, it's just an extra threat and the loss of an ally that Nori will get back. Since this is just a 8 card package, and is less risky, I think it's the way to go.

Once we are in the high token counts, things generally look like this:

  • All locations are in play
  • 3x Uruk Soldier engaged with you, because you don't want them engaging you again and increasing your threat
  • 3x Nazgul of Mordor in the staging area
  • 4 treacheries are in the victory display

In the best case, the encounter discard is empty and the encounter deck has 24 cards in it. Of those cards, 3 of them make the Mouth attack (requiring a shadow card), and 3 of them surge. So the effective size of the encounter deck is actually more like 24 - 6 = 18. Once those 18 are up, you start cycling through the same 9 treacheries over and over, 1 of which is The Hour of Doom, which we are prepared to cancel up to 7 times if necessary.

The last thing to think about is Nori. Does he have enough opportunities to attack each round to recycle all the cards we want recycled? Well, apart from the 6 enemies that stay in play, Nori will kill 14 enemies each round. This is enough to keep up with 1x Ever Onward, 1x Hour of Wrath, 3x The Door is Closed!, 3x The White Council, the Galadhrim Weaver (killed off by archery), Stand and Fight, and at least 4 attachments discarded by the Hour of Doom's shadow effect.

Improvement

It is difficult to significantly improve on this result with this hero lineup. With a starting threat of 31, and 6 threat from the Uruk Soldiers, bringing the effective starting threat to 37, there absolute maximum number of tokens achievable with this lineup is 63. The difference of 3 between the maximum and my result of 60 is due to not having Galadriel out yet in rounds 1 and 2, and facing one Hour of Doom Treachery before I could get it in the victory display.

Possibly I could have tried something to prevent the Uruk Soldiers from ever engaging, like with recycling Noiseless Movement or killing them in the staging area and playing None Return. It just sounded annoying to try so I didn't do it. But if possible it would raise the theoretical maximum to 69.

To further improve on that theoretical maximum, you could build a multiplayer fellowship where one player just starts with just Gloin. Another player could have Elrond, because after getting set up, the Gloin player would no longer need Elrond's extra healing. The other player could also play another Scout Ahead to remove the last problematic treachery, and they could engage the Uruk Soldiers and None Return them. The Gloin player could rely on recycling a Galadriel's Handmaiden (killing it off with archery or a defense each round) for threat maintenance.

I think this would give a theoretical maximum of 91 tokens. Unfortunately Sword-thain is unique, and we really need Nori as a hero controlled by the Gloin player, otherwise you could start with Sméagol, play Glóin ally, put Sword-thain on him, then Thorongil his hero ability onto him.

Thanks for reading this far! This was a fun game and exercise, and if you have any other suggestions feel free to drop a comment!

11 comments

Jan 11, 2022 doomguard 1127

wouldn´t it be easier to put in 1 or 2 Dwarven Tomb to get A Test of Will back during an attack?

Jan 11, 2022 Seastan 32146

@doomguard A Test of Will would not cancel the doomed 1 on The Hour of Doom. That's why The Door is Closed! is being used.

Jan 11, 2022 doomguard 1127

door is closed is clear i would use dwaren tomb instead of The White Council + Elven-light to get a will back for the 7.th appearance its independent of gloin having dmg, what is needed to discard the light

Jan 11, 2022 Seastan 32146

@doomguard I am not sure what you mean. Cancelling the 7th appearance of Hour of Doom with a Test of Will is useless, because it does not cancel the doomed effect.

And Gloin will always have damage on him right after the Mouth's attack, so you will always be ably to play The White Council and Elven-light to get your The Door is Closed! back.

Jan 11, 2022 doomguard 1127

if i understand it correctly:

you can remain a jaws of steel or an hour of doom that will not be cancelled with door is closed. if you leaeve jaws in game, test of will is enough, right?

Jan 11, 2022 Seastan 32146

@doomguard Ah, ok you are talking about leaving behind a Jaws of Steel.

Yes, Dwarven Tomb would work just as well as The White Council (although The White Council can be useful during the initial setup to recur cards like Drinking Song.

But the shadow effect on Jaws of Steel is also a game-ender, and it can show up during a Mouth attack. So if you want to leave that in you also need 3x Hasty Strokes. So it is less efficient than leaving in The Hour of Doom.

Jan 11, 2022 doomguard 1127

the tomb can also get you hasty stroke back, doesn´t it make it more flexible overall? i am not talking about instead of council i think additional to it.

Jan 11, 2022 Seastan 32146

@doomguard To get to 7 cancels with that method you would need 3x A Test of Will + 3x Hasty Stroke + 3x Dwarven Tomb +1x The White Council, which is 10 cards. My current method to get to 7 cancels is 3x The Door is Closed! + 3x The White Council + 1x Galadhrim Weaver + 1x Stand and Fight, which is just 8 cards.

Jan 11, 2022 doomguard 1127

i did not want to reduce door is closed. but i cannot calculate this without cards ;)

just guessing: i would say there is an option with door is closed + tomb+hasty stroke + test of will that is optimal. but nevertheless its not big of a deal. leaving in the jaws in do not automaticially mean, that it came as a shadow (or will the whole encounterdeck be used as shadows? i think not for the additional attacks during the staging, and if it comes as shadow during staging it is one appearance less in the staging, right?)

another option could be, include the Silver Lamp and chump where the jaws appear as shadow

Jan 11, 2022 doomguard 1127

and, in your calculation you have to mention the used Elven-light that u need to get it back on hand, that i would count as additional card.

Jan 11, 2022 Seastan 32146

@doomguard When you get to 60 tokens, on average you will be seeing the treachery revealed 5-7 times and as a shadow 1-3 times. Each time you see it as a shadow is one less time it is revealed, and vice versa.

With my current method (leaving The Hour of Doom in the deck) you do not care at all about the shadow. So it allows you to have less cards in your deck to deal with it.

Silver Lamp does not work because the Mouth is not engaged with you.

Elven-light does not count as an additional card because it is already a key piece of the Gloin combo. You would still need it either way.